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White guilt
Replies: 43Last Post Nov. 3, 2008 8:23pm by kidd rune
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I don't see how any of us as being part of the human race has anything to be proud of. We're all a bunch of warmongering greedy fools. Tell you the truth, I'm pissed at everyone in a way.

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Since it changes with everyone who talks about it then no wonder
People can be proud of whatever they want. If you want to be proud of being White, you can use your own definition of White - be it White skin or not.


The history of whites doesn't ring any bells to me. Too vague.
And European culture does? Europe has been filled with many races.

White history is any history by Whites - this includes the lives and accomplishments of Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.


And we saw that all whites defines white culture thier own way.
Not my fault some people have the wrong idea.

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OP, it's almost like you're asking permission to be proud. Just fucking be proud if that's what you want to be.

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jakelong


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Quote: from kidd rune at 12:49 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

People can be proud of whatever they want.
Sure they can be proud of being stupid.


And European culture does?
Yes it does.


Europe has been filled with many races.
It does not change the fact that Eruopean culture is well known and defined and is something real.


White history is any history by Whites
And since ppl define "white" any way they want it can mean anything.


this includes the lives and accomplishments
All of those guys are from Europe. The fact they are white is irrelevant.


Not my fault some people have the wrong idea.
That's what YOU say. Most whites define it differently than you. Some whites say Arabs and Jews are also whites. Appraently you guys can't even agree on what is white.

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Quote: from jakelong at 12:56 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

And since ppl define "white" any way they want it can mean anything.
Well, to most people it's a Germanic/Anglo-Saxon thing, but I guess I understand what you're getting at.

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jakelong


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Italians and Spanish are white too. Just shows that everyone has  different definition.  

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People also have different definitions of what a planet is, but with sufficient discussion there will be consensus. Thing is, most people prefer to dismiss the concept of race itself, because it's biologically complex, and more importantly it's political. Anyway, I sometimes say "people of mostly European descent" and that pretty much covers it. I think it's OK to refer to "whites", as long as you can specify.

Post edited at 2:23 pm on Nov. 1, 2008 by Radon

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kidd rune


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Jakelong, I am proud to be White by my definiton of White. Billy can be proud of whatever definition he wants.


Europe is MIXED. South Italy isn't really White either, and there have been nonWhite invasions on Europe. Therefore, pride in European heritage makes less sense than White heritage.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 12:49 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

People can be proud of whatever they want. If you want to be proud of being White, you can use your own definition of White - be it White skin or not.
Of all the things you can be proud of, being proud of a lack of melanin is probably the dumbest.

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kidd rune


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Of all the things you can be proud of, being proud of a lack of melanin is probably the dumbest.
And?

White is NOT just a lack of melanin, which is what some stupid, senseless, retarded people believe.

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jakelong


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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:26 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

Therefore, pride in European heritage makes less sense than White heritage.
Since "white" defninition changes all the time with whoever speaks then it makes NO sense.

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jakelong


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Quote: from Radon at 2:21 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

Anyway, I sometimes say "people of mostly European descent"
That works fo r me.


and that pretty much covers it. I think it's OK to refer to "whites", as long as you can specify.
Sure.  But when you are proud of something at least you have be consistent about what you mean.

Proud to be European is cool.

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Since "white" defninition changes all the time with whoever speaks then it makes NO sense.
No...

If you're proud of being White, you can go by ANY definition you want.

Proud to be European means NOTHING. NonEuropeans have invaded Europe plenty of times throughout history - the Huns, the Turks, Arabs, various Semitic people, ect.

Proud to be European means less than proud to be White, the only difference is that some people don't know what White means.



That works fo r me.
You can be nonWhite, or even nonCaucasoid and be 100% European with generations of your family in Europe.


Sure.  But when you are proud of something at least you have be consistent about what you mean.
When someone is proud to be White they don't change the meaning.


Proud to be European is cool.
No, it isn't. European is nothing - not a race, ethnicity, or anything. One could consider the Turks, Huns, Arabs, ect to be European - while others would say they were unwanted invaders and aren't European. Therefore, European pride, to you, makes no sense.

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jakelong


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Quote: from kidd rune at 7:06 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

If you're proud of being White, you can go by ANY definition you want.
Yeah you can be as stupid as you want.


Proud to be European means NOTHING.
All the hings you mention as good were made by Europeans.


NonEuropeans have invaded Europe plenty of times throughout history - the Huns, the Turks, Arabs, various Semitic people, ect.
Sure. And so wat you call white culture is NOT PURE white.


some people don't know what White means.
It means you are obessessed with race rather than HERITAGE..
 

You can be nonWhite, or even nonCaucasoid and be 100% European with generations of your family in Europe.
Sure. But Eruopean culture is well defined. White culture is not.


When someone is proud to be White they don't change the meaning.
Yeah y do. YOu change what white means all the time Sometimes you focus on skin. Sometimes on genetics, sometimes on traits.


  One could consider the Turks, Huns, Arabs, ect to be European - while others would say they were unwanted invaders and aren't European.
Still means more than "White"


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kidd rune


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Yeah you can be as stupid as you want.
Jakelong - You claim being proud of Whiteness is "stupid" because some people have different meaning of "White"

Many people have different meanings of "European" - how is that any better?


All the hings you mention as good were made by Europeans.
Well, almost all Whites are European, but there are nonWhite Europeans too.


Sure. And so wat you call white culture is NOT PURE white.
Well, we need to stop any more influence from tainting it again!


It means you are obessessed with race rather than HERITAGE..

Heritage:something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth

So you're not born into your race?


Sure. But Eruopean culture is well defined. White culture is not.
Doesn't matter how it's defined - it OBVIOUSLY has ONE definition, it's just that many people disagree.


Yeah y do. YOu change what white means all the time Sometimes you focus on skin. Sometimes on genetics, sometimes on traits.
I NEVER use skin as race, EVER.


Still means more than "White"
To YOU it does.

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If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
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