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jakelong
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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:45 am on Oct. 12, 2008
But, as you know, people tend to move. Many of the Aryans migrated TO Europe before that one great migration, thus having Aryans IN Europe BEFORE that one migration. 
So were there ONLY Aryans in Europe at that point? You still have not answered that question.
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jakelong
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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:45 am on Oct. 12, 2008
I'm still waiting for you to name these Europeans and their race. 
Tell me when the Aryan migration to Eruope occured and I might tell you.
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jakelong
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I read a bit more on your Aryan BS. Here is the REAL dope
A 2002-03 study by T. Kivisild et al. concluded that the "Indian tribal and caste populations derive largely from the same genetic heritage of Pleistocene southern and western Asians and have received limited gene flow from external regions since the Holocene."[7]. Studies point to the various Indian caste groups having similar genetic origins[8] and having negligible genetic input from outside south Asia[9]. However, a 2001 genetic study, led by Michael Bamshad of the University of Utah, found that the affinity of Indians to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank, the upper castes being most similar to Europeans. The researchers believe that the Indo-Aryans entered India from the Northwest and may have established a caste system, in which they placed themselves primarily in higher castes."[10] Because the Indian samples for this study were taken from a single geographical area, it remains to be investigated whether its findings can be safely generalized.[11] An earlier 1995 study by Joanna L. Mountain et al. of Stanford University had concluded that there was "no clear separation into three genetically distinct groups along caste lines", although "an inferred tree revealed some clustering according to caste affiliation".[12] A 2006 study by Ismail Thanseem et al. of Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (India) concluded that the "lower caste groups might have originated with the hierarchical divisions that arose within the tribal groups with the spread of Neolithic agriculturalists, much earlier than the arrival of Aryan speakers", and "the Indo-Europeans established themselves as upper castes among this already developed caste-like class structure within the tribes."[13] The study indicated that the Indian caste system may have its roots much before the arrival of the Indo-Aryans; a rudimentary version of the caste system may have emerged with the shift towards cultivation and settlements, and the divisions may have become more well-defined and intensified with the arrival of Indo-Aryans.[14] The Indian classes are similar to the Iranian classes ("pistras"),[15] wherein the priests are Athravans, the warriors are Rathaestha, the merchants are Vastriya, and the artisans are Huiti.[16][17] A 2006 genetic study by the National Institute of Biologicals in India, testing a sample of men from 32 tribal and 45 caste groups, concluded that the Indians have acquired very few genes from Indo-European speakers 
Most modern Indians descended from South Asians, not invading Central Asian steppe dwellers, a new genetic study reports. The Indian subcontinent may have acquired agricultural techniques and languages—but it absorbed few genes—from the west, said Vijendra Kashyap, director of India's National Institute of Biologicals in Noida. The finding disputes a long-held theory that a large invasion of central Asians, traveling through a northwest Indian corridor, shaped the language, culture, and gene pool of many modern Indians within the past 10,000 years. That theory is bolstered by the presence of Indo-European languages in India, the archaeological record, and historic sources such as the Rig Veda, an early Indian religious text. Some previous genetic studies have also supported the concept. But Kashyap's findings, published in the current issue of the Proceedings of the National Academies of Science, stand at odds with those results. True Ancestors Testing a sample of men from 32 tribal and 45 caste groups throughout India, Kashyap's team examined 936 Y chromosomes. (The chromosome determines gender; males carry it, but women do not.) 
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/01/india_acquired_language_not_ge.php
------- "Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin' That's how we be survivin'" - BEP
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jakelong
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On caucasoid race
With the turn away from racial theory in the late 20th century, the term Caucasian as a racial classification fell into disuse in Europe. Thus, in the United Kingdom, Caucasian is more likely than in the United States to describe people from the Caucasus, although it may still be used as a racial classification.[11] Sarah A Tishkoff and Kenneth K Kidd state, "Despite disagreement among anthropologists, this classification remains in use by many researchers, as well as lay people."[12] According to Leonard Lieberman, Rodney C. Kirk, and Alice Littlefield, the concept of race has been all but completely rejected by modern mainstream anthropology.[13] The United States National Library of Medicine used the term Caucasian as a race in the past, but has discontinued its usage in favor of the term "European" 
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jakelong
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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:14 pm on Oct. 13, 2008
I'm waiting for you to list the European aboriginals you claim mixed with all the Aryans 
Upper Paleolithic Europeans http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1690309&blobtype=pdf They were in South east Europe 44000 years ago. They occupied much of Europe 33,00 years ago. Their population was then relaced or mixed in the Neolithic 10,000 to 5,000 years ago with new populatin from East Europe. and spread to the west. So I guess your Aryans could be those Neolithic guys that went in Europe then. Those guys mixed with European arborigenes.
The first GREAT migration (not the first mind you, just the first GREAT migration) happened around 5600 BC. 
From where to where? BTW here something fun for you
Paleontology: Homo sapiens sapiens appears to emerge in Africa probably around 200,000 BP (Omo Kibish I and II,195,000±5K BP) and then spread into the Middle East (Qafzeh 120,000±8,000 BP), then into Asia (70,000 BP), Australia (60,000 BP) and Europe (40,000 BP) and eventually into the Americas (Monte Verde, Chile, 13,000 BP, possibly 33,000 BP; Pedra Furada 32,000 BP). It appears that 'racial' trait differentiation emerged late in the evolution of Homo sapiens sapiens, perhaps only within the last ten or so thousand years of our three million year evolution. So-called 'white' racial traits appear to be a mix of African and Asian traits, with a ratio by continent of roughly 65% Asian and 35% African (Cavalli-Sforza, L.). 
http://originsnet.org/eraup.html Pretty cool!
The vast majority of Aryans in India died out/mixed. 
Either way there is no evidence for your claim that Aryans took over the Upper castes of India.
Race has never, and will never, be considered nonexistent. 
Either way it kills the calim that ANY anthropoligst would agree.
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10:53 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 | Joined Aug. 2005 | 567 Days Active Join to learn more about jakelong California, United States | Straight Male | 9849 Posts | 16911 Points
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kidd rune
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Since race divisions only happened 10,00 years ago or less I'd say they were mixed... 
Actually, Cro-Magnons could have existed for over 10,000 years (some claim 35,000 years). As you should know, they are considered the first White racial types.
You can find Carvalli Sforza's book on Google. 
He wrote quite a few books, yet all are outdated compared to the Masatoshi Nei and Arun K. Roychoudhury study.
The Rig Veda has to do with the indo-iranian LANGUAGE and CULTURE. Maybe some afghanistan and turkmenistan. Tell me where it speaks of people from the Black sea. 
It doesn't talk about the Black sea, but it does speak of racial differences. According to the Rig Veda, the leader of the Aryan invasion was one Indra, and his role in 'slaying the Dasyus' (the Negroes in India) is prominent in the Rig Veda. "Thou, Indra, art the destroyer of all the cities, the slayer of the Dasyus, the prosperer of man, the lord of the sky." - RgV. VIII 87.6 "Indra, the slayer of Vrittra, the destroyer of cities, has scattered the Dasyu (hosts) sprang from a black womb." RgV. II 20.6 The Rig Veda praises the god who "destroyed the Dasyans and protected the Aryan colour." - Rg.V. III 34.9 It then goes on to thank the god who "bestowed on his white friends the fields, bestowed the sun, bestowed the waters." - Rg.V. I 100.18 Black skin is repeatedly referred to with abhorrence in the Rig Veda: starting with a description of the "black skin" (`Krishnam Vacham') in RgV. IX 41.1, Sam. V I.491 and II.242. For example in RgV. IX 73 it is said that "stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin", and it claims that "the black skin, the hated of Indra" will be swept out of heaven - RgV. IX 73.5 Rg.V. I 130.8 tells of how the "black skin" was conquered: "Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin." The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4 It also contains this choice remark which sums up the Aryan's opinion of their non-White subjects: "Black skin is impious" ('Dasam varnam adharam') -Sans., Rg.V. II.12.4 Soma Pavamana - 9.41.1 - "ACTIVE and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the black skin far away."
Most of the gods described there are mythologies. They are like Neptune and Zeus in the western mythology. If you take all of that literally just to support your little race theories you are more far gone than I even thought. Indra for example has a golden hair golden jaws, and even golden nails. Why? He's the sun god which is golden. He also has 4 arms and uses a thunderbot to kill his enemies and lives in a cloud, ok? 
I didn't use them as proof, but here's some more stuff: In Hindu mythology, the White goddess Durga slays the Negroid demon Mahishasura. But I guess Negroes would make gods slaying themselves, right? I've heard of this site before, you could check it out, I guess: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm
They "know" and they don't call it by name? Kinda weird for scientists man. They use the word for all other primate species. They do not use it for homo sapiens sapiens 
Maybe they over exaggerate the term, it's not the same as the simian shelf of the other primates.
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hell yeah i hate white people scrolling down still? mufucka must have no time! what, u thought i was gonna say just kidding? yeah, u right, i was :)
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